Monday, February 21, 2011

The History of the Palomino

Phil Newman comments on another post...

I just came across the Palomino club whilst browsing. I used to work in the factory where these buses were built and thought you might be interested in some background.

Absolutely! I think to most of us, the background to these vans is obscure, and consists of what little scraps we've scavenged over the years.
The first Palominos were built by Bariban Motorhomes of Newton Abbot in Devon in 1979-80. We also built the Mercedes Autobahn and the VW Autostrada. The Palomino was a real eye-catcher when it was launched as no other VW bay at that time had such a grand high-top or luxurious interior.

The first of the original Bariban Palominos, based on the 2-litre Type 2’s, were produced in 1979. They were designed by Tony Dilnott . I remember being shown the prototype when I went for my interview in 1978 and production started soon after. The Palomino name came from the managing director who had an interest in all things equine. We only converted new bodies, produced in RH and a few LH drive and the only colour Bariban produced was white. The fibreglass roof was made to match that colour. The originals had ‘stylish’ stick on decal strips (go-faster stripes), but they were a bit guady and I doubt if many survived. stylish go-faster stripes!

The production run was quite short because VW stopped producing Type 2s in 1979. However, the design was adapted for the new VW T25. The prototype for this model, whose roof was a cut-down of the earlier version, ran into problems when VW refused to guarantee the body of the van if it rolled, because for our design we had to cut out the large central roof bar. These had to be left in place in all future models, covered by carpet and used to support the upper bunks. If you own an original T25 palomino without a roof spar, then it could well be the prototype.

Before production of the T25 really got off the ground, Bariban went bust. Some months later, all the models, roof moulds and stock were bought at auction by a shady (dodgy) but likeable ‘geezer‘ from London who re-opened the works in May 1980 on a much reduced scale and called it Heritage Motorhomes. I was one of the first to be re-employed there and I remember preparing three vans, one of each model, as demonstrators which were photographed for the glossy brochures. I still have mine in the attic somewhere (I think). We ticked over for another 14 months producing a few T25s and a few Type 2s, usually for customers who brought their own second hand vans but rarely on new bodies.

Gradually, bills became unpaid and the bespoke suppliers who made the roofs, water tanks, metalwork, bunks etc stopped supplying us and the Newton Abbot factory closed in July 1981. The moulds for both types of Palomino roofs were moved to London where I believe roof conversions continued. I’d be interested to know what happened after that. I’m not sure if full conversions of interiors to the original spec also continued, but many of the components were fabricated in Newton Abbot so they would have had to replicate them somehow. Also, the furniture, faced with Afromosia veneer was hand-built and fitted by us at Newton Abbot so the new builders would have had to re-learn that too. For some reason the later Heritage conversions don’t have the black steel luggage racks on the front as on the the originals. The angle in the roof was especially designed to accommodate the rack and they look odd without it – perhaps they broke off or have been removed. If you own an all white Palomino on a 1979 (T or V) plate, then it’s likely to be one of the original Bariban production run. If the original body is any other colour, then it’s a Heritage conversion. I notice one or two examples in your gallery have no roof slit windows and these are definite roof only conversions, done after the Newton Abbot factory closed. The original roofs were seated onto the body with flanged rubber.

I hope this is of interest. Let me know if there’s anything else you need to know and I’ll try and remember. Its good to see a few the old buses that worked on are still on the road and appreciated by you guys.

Phil Newman (still of newton Abbot)


Thanks again Phil. It's absolutely fascinating to hear this information from someone who worked on these vans. I for one am thankful that your workmanship was so good that it's still going strong 30 years later!

9 comments:

pippa said...

Fantastic to have this information - such interesting stuff! It's been virtually impossible to find any history or background on Palominos until now, but then Alex's brochure and Phil's account come along almost at the same time!

Phil, if you read this, one thing I'd like to know is how many of the original T2s were made - do you have a rough idea?


This would make a fantastic story for Camper and Bus magazine - an article with Phil getting re-aquainted with Ian's original, un-altered Palomino, maybe? Would you be up for that?

Anonymous said...

Fantastic article.I hope mine is a Bariban because it was white originally but lovely bright red now with original interior (except seats).

Phil said...

Pippa

I don't remember the precise figure but it wouldn't have been a great number because, if I remember correctly, the T2 Palomino was only in production for few months. Off the top of my head I'd say less that 100 but it was 30 years ago now and its all a bit blurred. We did quite a few other models too.

Yes I'd love to see a Palomino again. The reason I was browsing VW bays and discovered this page in the first place was because I'm toying with buying a camper. A Palomino would be my first choice but I don't think I could handle the worry of trying to maintain a 30-year old vehicle.

Phil

pippa said...

Hi Phil!

I thought there couldn't have been all that many made. I've probably seen about 20 surviving T2 Palominos now, either in the flesh (erm, should that be "steel"?) or advertised for sale.

I only know of 2 left-hand drive ones though - Claude and Tom's Belgian Palomino, so I guess there must only have been a handful of those converted.

I wish I still owned Claude - I'd invite you to get re-acquainted with him straight away! But sadly I've now gone for the characterless comfort of a T4 instead. :(

Is anyone out there up for showing off their Palomino? I might just get onto the C&B magazine anyway!

And if you want a beautifully maintained ridiculously low mileage Palomino, and if you have £25K to part with, you don't get much better than the van for sale on this website:
http://www.qualitycampers.co.uk/index.html

Go on...do it! :)

Pippa

Anonymous said...

How many T25 palominos were made please?

Anonymous said...

hi phil,great read,i have a 79 lt im pretty sure its a bariban conversion,did bariban do many vwlt28,s cheers antony

Anonymous said...

Hi Phil, great to get some info on Bariban. I have a 79 VW Autostrada, LT28. I also have an original bariban brochure for it as well as a Heritage one for the Autostrada 2. Have been restoring our wonderful van over the past few years, she's back on the road now, but still has a little way to go on the full restoration. It would great to hear about anymore info you may have on the Autostrada. Cheers Justin

Anonymous said...

Hi Justin,
The LT28 Autostrada was my favourite of the Bariban conversions. The body was slightly wider than the Merc so it seemed more spacious and the shower was bigger. The sliding door was useful too. The material covering the upholstery was either a simple brown stripe (or was it check?)or a typical 70s large pattern velour called Gatsby which I was very fond of and had quite a bit of it in my Hillman Minx. The weak point of this conversion was the aluminium strip that sealed the front of the roof which would not bent around the curved corners properly and looked really shabby – probably still does. The worst job was fitting the water tank which had to be held in place with jacks while the brackets were fitted. Half an hour lying on your back with arms in the air often to find that the tank leaked when filled with water and had to be replaced.
As to the total number T25 Palominos – I doubt if it was many because Bariban went caput only months after the prototype was developed and we did no more than 15 or 20 at Heritage. But it was a long time ago and I can’t be certain of the exact number.
The sad thing about Bariban was that the conversions were really popular and in high demand right up to the day they went bust. Not sure what went wrong.
All the best
Phil

Mal78 said...

So fascinating to hear from someone who worked at Bariban. I have a '76-'77 LT28 Autostrada with the Gatesby print on the upholstery and the original floral lino. These are such brilliant campers- the fragrant smell of real wood (not formica!) inside each cleverly designed cupboard.....I could go on! The old bus turns heads wherever she goes. Shame there's no website for the Autostrada.